Day 45ish. people complain all the time. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Axwell889. 5 or so the save files are not longer in the gamefolder, so it should work without you doing anythingcit:darktoz Welcome! Thanks for stepping by! Welcome to the world of Darktoz. For starter's here is a pdf version of darktoz's walkthrough from their website. done! not you can reset the game since your game is screwed. . 1. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!To be fair, not everyone is familiar with Darktoz and his fine work of arts, and who can blame the guy, Griftomedia sees hawt women and he downloads, played the game like any normal horny perverts do. Shadow66 Member. Lot of hot fetishes, especially the vampire fetish, with great character art. S. Dec 11, 2017 #80 MrOmil said:. T. "The Shadow over Blackmore" is a captivating and atmospheric game that immerses players in a dark and mysterious world. Unfortunetly, your old saves are buggy, meaning the game will crash if you open up your. Same in Uptown. It looks like his games are made with DAZ3D and that his renders lack any sort of environmental lighting effects, etc. Others. So you'll see on sunday when I am either releasing or delaying for a week. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new. Dec 21, 2018 1,910 1,740. 2. 8. Save 3 is for all the dark elf endings. HERE. Lust Doll Plus. 8. There will be some characters appearing in Shadow over Blackmore and maybe other future games and there will be some story references, but that's it. It is set in the small town of Solomon Falls. Mar 3, 2017 752 884. 93,804. Some posts from his patreon: possible 3rd ending problems (only 2 endings) If thats really all, it is for me, the worst update that this guy made. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Mar 18, 2021. The game has about 100 animated scenes by now. 1] [Darktoz] UncleVT. From his patreon "The update for Captured by Dark Elves will be the next release and I'm confident that I can deliver it somewhere this month!" "So the rough schedule for the next months is Captured by Dark Elves first, The Mary Ending for the Asylum next plus implementing the additional job for Femdom City that Kinksters voted. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active. C'mon Darktoz, Roxxy deserves an ending, she's one of the OGs. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Guys I have been wondering what 3D sofware does Darktoz uses for his games? D. my point of view is that f95zone should marked it "on hold" or even "abandoned" when early versions of the game are taking a lot to receive updates to avoid things like that. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick. 1. Discord. Granted I am actually a patron of Darktoz. S. God damn. If you have a touchcreen is better, althought crash your mouse with many click :-) MC: Obey! THE ASYLUM – Final version. Deleted member 635119 Newbie. These games are free to play! How is that possible? Because of awesome people who decided to support these type of games, so that there can be more Femdom Game content! Check out the newest game right now…. S. D. 1. I hope Darktoz focuses more on Shadow over Blackmore rather than Femdom City Mantis for the time being. That means all the endings will be available as well as the epilogue and the extended Mary Ending gameplay. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Darktoz decided not to include an ending with the church sisters. 5. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation Membersokay, i broke the game. N. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Others Femdom City M. I have to say that 16 scenes for the Talice Ending was too much. 1] [Darktoz] Thread starter UncleVT; Start date Jun 12, 2018; Tags. A. T. darktoz 2 years ago. 3dcg animated corruption female domination footjob futa/trans humiliation male protagonist oral sex sissification slave urination. 3). I am considering to try out other Darktoz's games like Asylum and Dark Elves. 49. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. so 21st of april 23:59:59 would be my guess. Dec 30, 2022 #915. 30 Votes. Captured by dark elves and Femdom City is slightly diffrent to each other so if he gets an new idea then he wont have so much trouble to add it to one or both of them if it is within one of the characters persona and that means more content but yes 3 games is a bit much but that problem is soon gone, i dont think he will have any problems with. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersAccording to the Darktoz Patreon he's currently working on the older game Fem City Mantis. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Keep in mind that none of them are finished and Darktoz started working on a new game with the Elves and has bunch of other projects on the back-burner. Maybe I should see if darktoz has other great games that have more completion to them. This is looking great. well, there will still be quite a lot of dominant women in the game . . Plus he is not working on 4 games at once like he, unfortunately, has done in the past. Shadow over Blackmore 0. 5 months and I know that the longer we wait the better game we'll play. May 17, 2022 #76. 2) or only (Ep. don't know if that's realistic or not, since I have a lot of real life work this week, but we'll see. Members. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!well darktoz isn't just know for his femdom games but also for the massive grind required to play them . Jun 12, 2018. 1. 1] [Darktoz] Thread starter UncleVT; Start date Jun 12, 2018; Tags. but anyway, it is close, so get ready nothing more to say today because i have to get back at it and work work work work work. [v0. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate. This was the best of the best. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersIf you go on the Darktoz website there is a walkthrough of the game, though it is before the final update. Oct 14, 2018. Tales of Androgyny. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics. A. Seems like Darktoz saw the discussion here. Jun 12, 2018. I. S. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!RPGM - Completed - Fetish Stories: The Asylum [darktoz] | F95zone. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!There is a save file in the thread, it works for all the last 3 or 4 versions, as only the endings are different. Anybody had the same problem? Really want to try this game. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends. N. UPDATE: Captured by Dark Elves is now complete! Thanks to all patreon supporters who made. new game engine, new render engine and so on. Thanks :) Try to extract with some other program. "The Shadow over Blackmore" is a captivating and atmospheric game that immerses players in a dark and mysterious world. I'd like to add, early releases of darktoz should ALWAYS be considered in-house alpha. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!anyone have the new game?F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersNew Darktoz message: Content To keep you updated: the render count is currently at 320 pictures. [Feel free to go around the open rooms to take the Darktoz's minimovie and lets see them at TV]. Renders are very good . maybe someone should link it in the first post. Femdom City M. you can only work twice and then it says "not avalaible" or something, and the ladies. Apr 22, 2019 #340 Taimant said:. 6K. Darktoz always come up with interesting, unique plots but have a tendency to rush things which mean their games never really fulfil their potential and end up being quite shallow. variableStore. [v0. setNumberValueAtIndex ( [scope], [index], [value], [domain]) scope and domain remain the same you can enter the value you wish to add and index is somewhat like this. Jun 12, 2018. Like winrar or something. See options. Forum Rules. Some interactions with various characters are very tongue-in-cheek, there are some occasional funny remarks and even a stray reference to Femdomstories: BDSM Tournament , Darktoz's previous game. Ok i ve been playing darktoz games for many years and this. J. T. Darktoz however doesn't pull the player into completely dark and bleak world, he also has a nice sense of humour. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!After this initial release of SoB (and upcoming bugfix) the work on FC should be renewed, though Darktoz seems to prefer working on SoB now so it'll probably receive more love for the time being. Discussion Reviews (28) Prev. A dedicated hub for creators and talented individuals to connect, collaborate, and grow their adult gaming projects. The render engine: Daz3d. Should work with no hassles. Feb 8, 2019 83 71. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!The only way to avoid BDSM in a Darktoz game is to not play it I'm not BDSM fan myself, I come for the futa and pegging (not inherently an act of femdom) and try not to think too much about the rest of it. Fingers crossed " Reactions: Belphegor007, SurprisedMoth, DTchan and 11 others. went to school again (made my 200 bucks), scene triggered with worship teacher. Others Femdom City M. 2. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. Rated 4. Apr 2, 2018 2,040. Same in Uptown. Asylum is masterpiece, also Darktoz's games take at least few hours to finish, there is content, choices and grind which i feel make this more rewarding at the end. Nov 6, 2018 #383. Femdom & Futadom Games. This one, The Asylum, the one about a running-man-style competition, and of course, the Femdom City games. [v0. This game is sexy , beautiful and amazing . F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. Discord. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Femdom (Strap-On, Whipping, BDSM, Torture, Bondage, Submission, Domination…etc) Foot Fetish, Oral Worship, Cunnilingus, Corruption, Humiliation, Mind Break. . #1. Worth noting this is the only Darktoz game to date that doesn't feature futanari. BDSM Tournament by Darktoz was one of the first game in femdom genre i played long time ago. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersF95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersAlso, Darktoz really needs to update his assets now that he has gained himself a lot of support through Patreon. 4 P3 Extras] 3dcg, Ren'Py, optional futa on male content (if futa/trans enabled) Flora and Sauna [Enro and Oz] 2d art, Ren'Py, Furry, little bit of everything in this game, small amounts of futa on male. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Hope darktoz adds more sexy beautiful futas unlike jinx and others. So if anyone is worrying about dartoz abondoning FemdomCity i. Go to the basement in B1 towards right. 3] [Darktoz] Thread starter BaasB; Start date May 16, 2022; Tags. Darktoz has already confirmed the top3 will get at least 1 scene in the upcoming update, and personally I'd expect feet to. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make. Jul 11, 2018 201 289. 2- spend all money at Jazz. . And if not. Because something that appeals to a 1,000,000 people where it's good enough that half will buy it, makes more money than something that appeals to 100,000 people, so much where everyone buys a ticket. Femdom City M. darktoz was here in this thread a month ago or so. Jun 3, 2020. T. Forum Rules. Here is the new version that contains The Talice Ending (16 scenes) The Khadra Ending (4 Scenes) and The Demon Ending (5 Scenes) Enjoy! DOWNLOAD HERE. If everything runs as fantastic as I've planned it, then I will release the Mary Ending plus 3-4 other story endings in 2. of darktoz's walkthrough for CbDE since the game is now complete. Apr 29, 2023. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. darktoz bdsm tournament and futadomworld . indivi. If youre playing these games for betrayed style animation and renders, okay. And unlike others I know this is because he works on 2 games at the same time, and releasing big updates every 2 months is a mad achievement, especially when you're consistent like him. . Feb 25, 2019 134 242. UnderHeels 2 years ago (1 edit) Surely not. Last edited: Aug 25, 2022. F95zone is an adult community where you can. You just have to be patient. And its just v0. can't wait to finish it. Jun 10, 2020 107 81. 2. 3] [Darktoz] Thread starter BaasB; Start date May 16, 2022; Tags. Jul 20, 2021. It looks like his games are made with DAZ3D and that his renders lack any sort of environmental lighting effects, etc. 3] [Darktoz] BaasB. 8. A. Mar 8, 2020 #1,152 Did the new post (. 100 likes from m y end Darktoz is kinda something else haha; i will miss his rpgm games for sure dunno why but i like that lil grindy stuff, asylum was a banger aswell. Hope darktoz adds more sexy beautiful futas unlike jinx and others. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick. Jun 12, 2018. Darktoz is very consistent with his games. Darktoz stated this: I have planned 15 endings, the 3 extended ones are completed (Abusem, Horney, Mary)!. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. On the contrary, he finished most of them I think. Jul 5, 2017. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. The Shadow over Blackmore is the newest game by Femdom & Futadom Game Developer Darktoz and features a wide variety of mostly optional fetishes, related to Female and Futanari Domination. Ren'Py The Shadow over Blackmore [v0. I might even say that Femdom City Mantis is the flagship of femdom games at this point. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation Membersor just go to darktoz. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersRPGM Completed Fetish Stories: The Asylum [darktoz] Thread starter aben; Start date Jul 18, 2017; Tags. #1. Talk to Lorian to start the break out. Reactions: DTchan, asehpe, Walt71 and 2 others. Android: Mega. The new art style is great. R. Patreon updated game should be finished soon. Sep 6, 2017 30 73. A. N. A. Aug 10, 2017 573 261. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!What kind of updates the Darktoz post on October 28 put . 6 and want to try the newer verson please Since 0. T. Deleted member 241387 Member. And I doubt that there will be gay scenes in it, since Darktoz already talked about that his community doesn't really want them in the game @UncleVT: please remove the gay tag . F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active. it is actually less in darktoz threads than it is in other popular games. Jul 29, 2020. Jun 8, 2023 #1,957. in their minds making a nsfw game is a piece of cake, should be free and only contain their fav fetishes, because the other ones are all gross. " thing darktoz did the same with some character in the asylum if you choose ( run from this madness) you get it but then he did not add anything to the doctor story and the game was finished . The new art style is great. This really, really should be on Steam. N. Reply. to come to the final version of Captured by Dark Elves! It is all done. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. That’s when you hear about a secret underground tournament organized by a mysterious woman called Lady Lynx. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersAlso, Darktoz really needs to update his assets now that he has gained himself a lot of support through Patreon. While being a visual novel, the game also allows you to roam around and interact with the world. That means better graphics, hopefully better animations and a stable engine. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!I know darktoz made this futa slider mostly for people like you who want to make it 0 and skip the entire futanari scenes, but I am saying you are the minority, not the majority. I. Agreed and Renpy is a step up from the boring, mundane mandated turn-based boredom thats enforced with RPGM. I wish darktoz would just have sticked to femdomcity. RPGM Completed Fetish Stories: The Asylum [darktoz] Thread starter aben; Start date Jul 18, 2017; Tags. N. If what you're looking for is the dark athmosphere then other Darktoz games are really the only option. It only covers the past public version. the walktrough is quite nice for the scenes but i kinda wish it had a quide for anwsers you can give when the elves talk to you for what anwser gives +like -like i guess you gota abuse save to figure out yourselfDarktoz, dude, just focus on this game, and lets finish it quickly. This is looking great. Captured by Dark Elves: Arachna’s Return [Final Edition] [Darktoz] I found the game was low-quality that lived up to all the worst stereotype elements of an RPGM. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. Leo Humilis Active Member. . Not many incentives to go faster. Other than dialogue options that don't really do anything during sex parts this game is as good as you can get. The world building is the best so far. Reactions: FutadomLover. S. Im hyped again about the next release for the first time in about a year. are there games similar to femdomworld . A game like this but with gentle femdom. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate. 7z format. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Darktoz has definitely improved over the years. Reactions: Dysphorika. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and. stay kinky (and warm! don't catch a cold these days. From his Patreon: " Alright, here we go, the new updated version is now available for all platforms including android and can be downloaded by the Gamer+ tier now. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Does Anybody know to play the new verison with the old saves ? i played all the 0. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. Males have to help restore the partly destroyed city, that’s why they usually have to take on jobs that serve women in order to be able to pay the higher. Others. #396. T. S. 8. Games with fetish content are rare and hard to find, so I thought instead of searching for them, I will make them myself!theamazingdolphin. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Actually, most of Darktoz's games are connected. Yeah, it's on the list, but this game was also released last year (place #5 at our best 2022 femdom games poll!). This is definetly in betastage and has not been tested properly! Please leave feedback in the comments! 2. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersCaptured by Dark Elves: Arachna’s Return [Final Edition] Darktoz Original Size Win: 1. Peterraynor collection [peterraynor] videos, animations, pictures, a lot of futa on male (traps), also futa on female, male on futa, male/male. It's not even a release. Feet, with 12%. Although truth to be told, I am a bit puzzled how to improve there character skills. A. . Lust Doll Plus. Lot of hot fetishes, especially the vampire fetish, with great character art. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation MembersDarktoz games are all about hardcore femdom and BDSM. can anybody share the last post on darktoz patreon about updates? :). The prisoners talk about it all day long in the last episode. Jun 2, 2019. Apr 27, 2022. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more. I realize that a similar project already exists and has been in development for some time now, and my aim is not to usurp that work but to use this project to build my development skills. [v0. 3. Reactions: Lokke71. darktoz bdsm tournament and futadomworld Click to expand. The dark elves of the noble house Bavaeleth are known for their cruelty and their devotion to the old gods. Which is one of the BIG fights film directors have VS the suits putting up the money. Orc's Quest: A Dick Girl's Tale [OrcsMaster] 3dcg, Ren'Py, Futa/Trans protagonist, looks like one scene only. You can proceed with all the alternatives from the same save - the orks (give the sphere to them), the dark elves (activate the last portal) and the captives (return to the town and initiate the escape). I love the theme of this Game and he really brings up new stuff every sunday. Reactions: DTchan and Laehtsia. Darktoz Games in 2021! Jan 3, 2021. 1 *FIXED. There is an alternative way to flee with the prisoners. While, IMHO, RPGM itself sucks big time as game engine, Darktoz really made the best of it. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Here's some text from Darktoz' latest Patreon post. Reactions: enken. Darktoz has some other games with fem/futadom though. I want to become the top creator of FEMDOM and FUTADOM content games. Jun 12, 2018. RPGM Completed Fetish Stories: The Asylum [darktoz] Thread starter aben; Start date Jul 18, 2017; Tags. Also I stopped to play early versions of the games a. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Others. I plan to release the final version on sunday. If you choose to go with Elaine, you will not be able to get the Mary Ending! F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation Members In Darktoz games, male's are never gonna be better than female's or futa's. Femdom City M. str8up Well-Known Member. I'm not sure which one of them is used in this game, but atleast i've narrowed down the options for you . to come to the final version of Captured by Dark Elves! It is all done now, even the mobile version is online! With that, the long project is finally finished and all the endings are in! The story of a poor, unlucky guy (You!), who gets hired by a small company in a strange town and uncovers the dark secrets of this town and its people step by step. I plan to finish the Asylum in the next 4 weeks. The dev called it a 'tech demo', and. #34. Lovesp Newbie. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!54/75 This week wasn't as good as I wanted it to be, outputwise. . F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active. just go on darktoz. 3dcg animated corruption female domination footjob futa/trans humiliation male protagonist oral sex sissification slave urination. 8. Jul 13, 2022. . Darktoz continues to refine and update their craft with every game. Caejat Newbie. [v0. That’s when you hear about a secret underground tournament organized by a mysterious woman called Lady Lynx. 5 out of 5 stars (173 total ratings) Simulation. FutadomLover said: Femdom City got its update released 3 weeks ago, and the comic he just released is entirely about Shadow over Blackmore, so I don't think he. Discussion Reviews (31) Prev. Mar 22, 2021. I. You can edit XP just select File unpack at the bottom and ctrl+f for exp. 1. Apr 7, 2023 14 7. While being a visual novel, the game also allows you to roam around and interact with the world. Then you probably shouldn't play Darktoz games. darktoz already said that her story isn't finished and that she and arachna will appear in another game . 3. This is Excellent game . jackfuckthissitemanson Member. You play a woman (there is also an alternate transgender start) whom you can name and arrive in town to solve the mysterious. SoB runs fine so far, and Mantis ran fine too until the last Big update. I. 3dcg bdsm blackmail female domination graphic violence group sex humiliation male protagonist multiple endings oral sex puzzle rape sex toys slave vaginal sex. Darktoz did what he could with it, but its still RPGM and its as bad as QSP with dragging down a great game. If he's doing it like he did with the asylum he will release 1-2 endings one after the other. 31 Votes. 41 Votes. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Now on topic, Darktoz of course does some good work, so I was exaggerating a bit, but for futa it's additional suspension of disbelief needed. talked about the struggles of the release. Members. This is Excellent game . Jun 12, 2018. Rated 4. Darktoz Post Aug 26 I plan to finish the Asylum in the next 4 weeks. Last edited:. Reactions: lonelyleaf, Gamemaking and Choo-choo. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more! Quick Navigation. 3K. F95zone is an adult community where you can find tons of great adult games and comics, make new friends, participate in active discussions and more!Now on topic, Darktoz of course does some good work, so I was exaggerating a bit, but for futa it's additional suspension of disbelief needed.